Animepedia talk:Wikia ACG

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Contents 1 "Wikia Con Project" 2 ACG 3 Restricted to wikia? 4 minus games 5 WGEP Redirects here

[edit] "Wikia Con Project"

Star Gate SG1, Star Wars, Star Trek, and a bunch of other stuff have "conventions" too. So I don't think "Wikia Con Project" is the best name for the 4 areas (unless your ambition IS to eventually encapsulate every thing on the planet that has a convention for it). -PanSola 07:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok, but it would be helpful for any hints on a word which would encompass the non-acted series/movies/shows and graphic novels of the comic and manga types. Even if it covers Video Games of that type to it would be ok. ~Dantman^(talk) Apr 9, 2007 _@ 15:46 ^(UTC)

[edit] ACG

In Taiwan, people coined an abbreviation, ACG, to stand for "Animation (including anime & cartoons), Comics (including manga), and Games (most games in Asia tend to get characterized as "anime games" by Westerners, although Asians themselves don't really divide the games by art style, especially since there's no "anime style" from their perspective, only Asian vs Western style. The G in ACG refers to all of gaming, although "Asian styled game" does have a significant majority since the Japanese on average pump out 30~40 new PC games each month). It's a very regional term (to my knowledge, mostly used in Taiwan), but it might serve nicely, as it is at least a term already being used somewhere.

That brings me to the next point: are you interested in expanding the project into "Asian styled games" (aka "anime games") earlier than phase 4? Your phases 1 and 2 can be characterized as "Asian styled ACG, minus games", whereas phases 3 and 4 are "Western styled ACG, minus games". If you are interested in first focusing on "Asian styled ACG", then expand into "Western styled ACG", then the AliceSoftWiki would be quite intersted in partnering up. -Afker 17:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

For centralization, this conversation is being continued on w:c:AliceSoft:AliceSoftWiki talk:WGEP

[edit] Restricted to wikia?

Completely hypothetical. But let's say there's another wiki out there, not part of wikia, but has excellent content on a certain Anime/Manga. They are interested in becoming part of a larger network, but does not wish to migrate to Wikia for various reasons. Would that wiki and its community not be able to join WGEP at all? (you can export all their pages and import them on some wikia, assuming GDFL, but you won't get their community) -Afker 18:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

The WGEP is similar to Wikipedia's WikiProject Anime and Manga in that it is centralized to one place. The WikiProject is centralized to Wikipedia, and the WGEP is centralized to Wikia. There are a number of sharing things being setup and the truth is that in the future unless a wiki is a Wikia wiki it will be missing the core things needed for it to work with the WGEP and various other reasons would prevent them from being part of the project:

• Global styles are shared from Wikia servers, it would not be right for the shared styles to be used on a non Wikia wiki because that would be considered Bandwidth stealing.
• ParserFunctions and a number of other complex things which depend on a set of extensions installed on Wikia are used in the shared templates. If the other wiki was missing any of these, or even had a version which may be incompatible with the WGEP then things would not work right.
• The DataTables extension is one which is coming in the future (I'm building it). It is going to be one of the few which actually is going to be installed on the other wiki in the project instead of just the top-level wiki. When created a number of templates are going to depend on the installation of this template, and it's going to be using Wikia hosted Database tables to work. Use of this extension in compatibility with the WGEP's content could not be made on a non-Wikia wiki for security reasons.
• The WGEP is a completely community driven project; There is no owner, just a free host which merely does the hosting and keeps the wiki controlled by the community. Because a non-Wikia wiki is not hosted by it but by another group, it is most likely held in a different form of ownership. Even the http://anime-wiki.org is hosted in a more non-community driven manner.
• Other than all this, and even more reasons Wikia is also working on the possibility of setting up groups of wiki which actually share content and stuff. I was actually in a discussion with Johnq about ideas on the subject. Mine yielded to a way of creating wiki which shared the exact same filestructure and database tables, yet appeared to be completely different wiki. If this were to be setup, then the WGEP would be merged into one structure. Non-Wikia wiki cannot have this done to them, and at that point it would become something crucial to the WGEP because it would no longer use the Bots to share things but use that system instead. In essence, the Animepedia, Narutopedia, AliceSoft Wiki, etc... Would share the same area as each other, yet at the same time still appear as different wiki; The difference? A new Parallel tab would be added, on this page you would have a list of other matching pages on other wiki in the project, pages could also have sharing turned on and would suddenly be mirrored across all wiki in the project. Not only this, but there would be a new WGEP-Sysop and WGEP-Bureaucrat class which would grant Project admins global project rights instead of needing to be +S and +B-ed on all the project's wiki. And finally, pages could also be moved cross-wiki using the normal Special:Movepage.

~Dantman^(talk) May 14, 2007 _@ 21:59 ^(UTC)

[edit] minus games

Dantman, I think this is getting too broad. Games is a whole 'nother topic, and pulling that into this project is a bad idea. I'm not sure about other comics etc. either. Anime and Manga make a good subset to try out this style of collaboration, but it is better restricted to that. I think the hubs are a good guide for this, if it's not in the same hub, then it's not part of this 'group'. This project might be a subgroup of the cartoons and comics hub, so might not include all wikis in that group (say, not those that are not anime or manga) but it certainly shouldn't include wikis that are in the gaming hub. -- sannse (talk) 22:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikia ACG doesn't actually cover Games in general. Only games which are related to the other 4 main parts of the project. The games part was originally added because the AliceSoftWiki wanted to join the project, taking it out kinda kicks out one of the projects that actually requested to join us before we even asked. The games aspect is added because many Series such as Naruto cover Anime, Manga, and also Card and Video Games. Gundam also covers Manga, Anime, and many other types of games. Then there are also universes which span Anime, Manga, Cartoons, Comics, and Games all in the universe. But the project only covers games which cross over with Anime, Manga, Cartoon, or Comic series. Or are created with the same style as Animanga, eg: The eroge Games such as the ones AliceSoft makes. Guess I should probably put that distinction on the page. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Sep 14, 2007 _@ 03:24 ^(UTC)

If it's a anime/manga topic that includes a game or game related pages, that's one thing. But if this experiment works, then there is likely to be a game project that's similar (there are already attempts to promote cross-over between gaming wikis). Games should be part of that project and not this one. If it's a wiki in the games hub, I'd like you to not try and include it in this project. Talk about ways to link between them, or cooperate with them, fine. But the standardised formats and policies shouldn't be spread that far. Please keep this project to Anime/Manga specific wikis. Thanks -- sannse (talk) 17:27, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

This project/experiment does not automatically cover all anime, manga, cartoon, and comic wikis on Wikia. Nor does it automatically cover all games in the gaming hub. It is the decision of individual wiki communities whether they want to be part of the project or not, and they can opt out if they decide to.

If I take the text in the Hubs_FAQ literally, every single wiki in this project actually belongs to a major hub, ie a "non-Cartoons and Comics", and the AliceSoft Wiki most definitely belongs to the gaming hub. If a separate game project takes off, then the AliceSoft Wiki would in fact like to be in both this project and the gaming project, and stay in the Gaming hub/breadcrumb. Partly for the purpose that my AliceSoft Wiki may be part of both the "WGEP" and any future similar Gaming project, and partly to make recruitment of other anime/manga wikis into the "WGEP" easier, I have in fact been slowly subconverting Dantman's original "tight grip of control" that I perceived when I originally looked over WGEP's policies and costom css/js. I'll continue to pester work with Dantman to work in more flexibility and options, so it can continue to help members of the project without having overbearing control.

Finally, regarding the statement that "Games is a whole 'nother topic", I'd like to respectfully respond that the distance separating video games from cartoons is about the same as the distance separating cartoons from comics. Video games, cartoons, and comics really belong to the same class of sub-culture, it's just that the Western world haven't found a segregating terminology that singles out Japanese video games from others like they have done with cartoons (anime) and comics (manga). The fact that the groups are "anime & manga" vs "cartoons & comics" (as opposed to "anime & cartoons" vs "manga & comics") means the division is being made at either the art-style level or the topical level (an anime is more likely to have manga adaptation than a comic or cartoon adaptation). Whether division is by art style or topical, Japanese games would most definitely fall in with anime & manga, instead of being a separate group.

Currently the project focuses on anime and manga, and "animanga games." Dantman's ambition is to eventually expand the project to include cartoons and comics, and if that day ever comes I'll push for "and cartoon-comic games". We'll leave all other games alone. No matter what, individual wikis still has free will as to whether to join, and can leave if they ever change their mind. If that sounds reasonable, then I would like to use the slightly exaggerated claim that the vast majority of successful Japanese video games have anime adaptations and vice versa, to justify keeping the "G" in the project. -Afker 11:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, persuasive arguments :) I guess my main concern is all these wikis being pushed into a "one size fits all" mold, and some wikis feeling they have to join. Especially where policies are concerned (never a favourite subject of mine ;) But you guys have some fantastic ideas, and I like that more people are getting involved in deciding where the project is going... more minds on this is great. So thanks both :) -- sannse (talk) 17:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WGEP Redirects here

What does it stand for? -PatPeter 20:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

WGEP is the second name we've been through. Wikia ACG is the third name we've jumped into. The first was WAP which stands for Wikia Anime Project. Back when the project started, but I thought it may be a better idea to start off with a general name rather than changing names as the project expands. So we renamed to WGEP which stands for Wikia Graphical Entertainment Project, "Graphical Entertainment" being the best semi-broad term I could come up with. And then Afker convinced me it was better to use a semi-poorly known abbreviation (The Taiwanese term ACG) than the completely original term Graphical Entertainment which no one knows what it even means. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Apr 2, 2008 _@ 16:14 ^(UTC)

What is the difference between the Wikia Hub "Cartoons and Comics" and this? ~Kakashi Namikaze (talk) 13:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

The Cartoons and Comics hub is just a hub, a collection of wiki that are part of a certain category. Wikia ACG is a project aiming to unify many wiki on the ACG topics together to firstly, create a resource on things like Anime which can be browsed collectively, and also help make the creation of ACG related wiki easier by creating templates, systems, and policies beforehand that normally take a wiki community a fair bit of time and effort to develop, despite it already being done somewhere else. Basically, it's the difference between a Category and a Project. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Jul 4, 2008 _@ 20:26 ^(UTC)