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Katie5000 360 edits since November 4, 2007

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My talk page, for what it's worth.

^_^ Thanks for asking. For the most part there are only 2 things that you need to remember.

The first is that titles are a bit different here. We have a bit of a id called a World name that we put before the name of the page with a / separating.

You can see information on this at ACG Worlds.
Generally the id is a common shortened form of the name that all the series go by. For Chobits it's as short as it gets so Chobits is used. For Naruto and Naruto: Shippūden it's just Naruto. For series like Full Metal Panic! and it's other 2 series we use the shortened form which is commonly used. In this case FMP.
But for the most part, if you want to work on a different series world, just ask me and I'll tell you what the best world name is and even create a world page for the universe.

The other thing is that we copy from Wikipedia to start. Just see Jump start from Wikipedia policy for why.

There is a tutorial at How to copy from Wikipedia but it's a little old. I've been working on a new one at Animepedia:Step-by-step guide to a Wikipedia base. But if you want to start a series, you can always just tell me what one. And I'll start the Wikipedia copying. And you can look at what I did in the revisions to see how to copy. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 5, 2007 @ 00:22 (UTC)

^_^ Good job starting the articles, you're one of the first to get it right away. I'll just give you a few tips to help out.

  • Just remember to add the {{Wikipedia}} template on the first revision.
  • This one is just interesting, but not a requirement. If you go to the permalink (look in the toolbox in the sidebar on the Wikipedia article), the article's url in the address bar will contain the revision id of the article. If you add that into the parameter after the name (ie: {{Wikipedia|Title|Rev ID}}) it will point directly to that specific revision, and you'll have attributed not just the article, but the exact revision to. That way anyone can just go and see what people have changed since you copied it.
  • When you work on a new universe, like Sailor Moon. Go to the World Page (ie: For Sailor Moon/Sailor Moon, that's the page Sailor Moon, or otherwise a page like Ronin Warriors) and save it with the contents {{subst:World Page|General Anime Series Name}}. (So for Sailor Moon, I saved it as {{subst:World Page|Sailor Moon}}.) That will create the entire world page for you.
  • When you're doing Genre. Capitalize the first letter like normal. And also while you haven't come into this yet, use Science Fiction not Sci-fi; I'll work a bit more on the specifics later, but at some point in time we're going to have Semantic MediaWiki installed, and those genre are going to be used to tag the article with genre attributes that people can browse through (^_^ Yup, they'll be able to view a list of all series in a set of Genre, and tweak that search). But if someone uses say Sci-fi, and the other Science Fiction, and another Sci Fi. They will all have different attributes and won't be listed under the same genere when people look for them.

^_^ That's about it.

But just a note. Don't add any more Sailor Moon articles. The general one is good, but we won't be adding any more than that. There is a Sailor Moon Wiki that we would use to work on Sailor Moon articles instead of using the Animepedia. We'd only put the general information here. ^_^ Of course, if you want... Since the wiki is Inactive I could always adopt it into the project, and help you set it up to nicely work in as a part of Wikia ACG. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 8, 2007 @ 01:34 (UTC)

Where did you get the image? I was working on bringing in the flag images from commons. But that's something I should probably continue with at some time. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 10, 2007 @ 01:35 (UTC)

The rendering of SVGs is a little broken at the moment. Next time, get the flag from Commons. ^_^ I should probably get that no-flag image. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 10, 2007 @ 02:15 (UTC)

Eeek, I forgot to mention it because no-one's tried uploading. I haven't done the image naming policy yet. But for now could you prefix image names with the name of the World Page and a dash(-). So SImage:SpaceAcerecord.jpg should actually be SImage:Space Ace-Record.jpg. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 10, 2007 @ 22:22 (UTC)

We're mostly using automatic categories which are done by the Infoboxes that you add to a page. Just add the infoboxes to the pages like Robotech/The Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross as you have already done to Robotech/Genesis Climber Mospeada, and also wait for the Job Que to run through so that they actually show up in the category. Also, a little tip. By default, the World category (Basically a category based on the name of the world) is created using the World name. However that is not always the name you want for the categories. For example for the various Nanoha series, we use Nanoha as the World name, but Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha would work better for the category. There is a special page World name/Tech/Info/Category which you can enter the name of the category that should be used. Just look at Nanoha/Tech/Info/Category to see how to use it. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 11, 2007 @ 06:59 (UTC)

That's basically what adoption is. I can tell Angela that you want to adopt it instead. Still want it as part of Wikia ACG. If so I'll just get the flags needed to have the stuff synced over there. I can still help setup things to work nicely with the project. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 11, 2007 @ 23:54 (UTC)

How would you explain sorting Anime by Era? Just note that we are actually going to be using automatic methods. The current Lists will actually be removed and replaced with automatically generated lists which are generated through the information we put on pages inside of the infoboxes. Also, we won't be doing a glossary here. All the glossary and genre terms will be documented on another wiki in the project. I've been trying to get an ACG Wiki for awhile, just need a bit of leverage and better explanation. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 12, 2007 @ 00:56 (UTC)

^_^ Well there's a bit to explain. The first thing to understand is that no-one owns a wiki. Anyone who thinks that they own a wiki they requested needs to review w:Ownership and w:Common mistakes. Wiki on Wikia are controlled by the community. So that also means that if the community decides something, the person administrating it can't go against that. And could be demoted if they tried to use their powers to force something on the community. And another thing to understand about wiki on Wikia is that they never disappear. Even if the wiki's admins and contributors disappear, the wiki still stays there waiting for a time when someone else may find it and decide to adopt it and try to get it back running. (The Sailor Moon Wiki is inactive right now, the previous admin actually abandoned it, and at one point came back and vandalized the wiki using their Sysop powers. I have Sysop there because of that vandalism and still kinda keep it clean. So I know it's open for adoption.)

There is one other thing to understand. There is something very unique going on here. The Animepedia is actually part of a project called Wikia ACG which is actually a project with spans multiple Wikia wiki and is independent of the wiki. We sync templates from the central wiki in the project (Currently here) to all the other wiki, have them all link back, share resources (Global referenced CSS and JS), share a few common policies, and hopefully share community members. It's an opt-in thing right now, but the project's aim is to create a resource where every Anime, Manga, Cartoon, and Comic series has a place for full documentation on itself. Larger series can get their own wiki, and we have general wiki (Like the Animepedia) which work in a Mini-wiki style to give each of the smaller wiki their own space. We try to avoid redundancy (Which is why we only do a series page for series here, when there is a wiki in the project about the series). But we avoid the use of resources that we cannot control (Not a statement of someone wanting to control everything, but basically we avoid linking to things outside of the project where the project's entire community can't influence things there; Basically we want to avoid linking to a wiki that may do something in a different way and therefore end up possibly missing information that we won't be able to add, or won't link back therefore creating a hole where viewers will leave and won't be able to return. And also we're going to be using some special things like Semantic MediaWiki that most likely won't be used elsewhere and people would miss out on that. Then there's the fact that we are also attempting to make a comfortable common environment where people can move from one wiki to another without to much transition issues).

But basically, either one of us could adopt the Sailor Moon Wiki, and we would have it join Wikia ACG. Then we could improve it there and fix up all the old articles that are most likely in need of complete re-doing. And by joining the project we would have the Sync bots sync the project's templates over there, and that would allow us to use the same systems that we use here, over there. (For an example, Wikia ACG is the only wiki with the {{Translation}} Template. And if you go to the Narutopedia to w:c:Naruto:Template:Translation you'll see it's synced from here). ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 13, 2007 @ 01:35 (UTC)

Yup... I tried to note it a bit earlier to Angela in IRC. Though she seams to have gone AFK. I guess I'll note it on her talkpage in a bit. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 13, 2007 @ 02:00 (UTC)

Not yet, Sannse hasn't given out the flags yet. Also I'll need to set things up. Basically I need to do some stuff to the various css, js, MediaWiki pages, and also sync the templates over to set the wiki up to be ready.

Just to note about the wiki. For the most part the inactive animanga wiki on Wikia are full of old articles which are either stubs, or are old Wikipedia copies which are out of date or violate the GFDL. So I do suggest using that tactic on one of the Wikipedia copying guides I gave you on how to move the content to a subpage and put a good fresh and legal Wikipedia copy in it's place and merge the changes from the other one back in. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 14, 2007 @ 06:52 (UTC)

Just a note about page naming. For the lists, we use the /Characters and /Episodes subpages. So after you've copied over a list from Wikipedia you can move it to /Characters or /Episodes. And split what is there out into individual articles (For Characters that is). Those pages actually function mostly as lists. But once we've moved out the character articles we'll use an automatic listing. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 16, 2007 @ 17:26 (UTC)

Keeping a space between the = and the input in infoboxes improves the readability of the source. Also, in the infoboxes, don't use <br> just use the * to create a list. CSS takes out the bullets so it looks the same, but works much better. See this diff. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 17, 2007 @ 05:31 (UTC)

Don't make any character articles subpages of the /Character sub page. In the future I'm hoping to create a {{WORLDPAGENAME}} magic word to use in things. But at the moment because I have not finished any technical things for the systems to be installed here, the templates use the normal {{BASEPAGENAME}}, and because of that if you create a subpage which is a subpage of another one it will mess things up and they won't be categorized into the correct world.

It's basically the same thing as with the Series. Use a Character infobox on the character's page, and they will become categorized as a character. Do note that the character infobox system is designed to be able to be used in versatile ways. So what set of boxes to use will vary from series to series. Talk to me about individual series characters and I'll help look through the info that is given about the different characters and I'll help pick out what boxes and order would work best to build a good character infobox. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 18, 2007 @ 02:47 (UTC)

I also created a new template {{World Category}}. It works just like {{World Page}}, just look at the template for the differences in input. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 18, 2007 @ 03:29 (UTC)

Categories are just that, Categories. They are there for technical organization not content. The Series characters category is just there for a grouping of what pages on the wiki are character articles for that universe. The character and episode lists go at the /Characters and /Episodes subpages. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 20, 2007 @ 04:05 (UTC)

Hey, Katie5000... Do you want to help me with Wikia ACG a bit? Wikia ACG isn't going to get anywhere in the eyes of the staff the way it is. We need to stabilize it out and make it a bit more newbie friendly. I've seen that you got my instructions on how to copy from Wikipedia right away. And Afker joined the project some time ago and has greatly helped improve my guides and policy pages to sound much more newbie friendly like they should be. But since you two are the only ones who know enough about the goals and workings of the project without having my technical mind I need your guy's help in making things easier for new users to use. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 20, 2007 @ 23:09 (UTC)

Ok. And to answer your question. What matters is the name. If you were using {{Flags|United States}} you would need to upload the SVG to Image:Flag of United States.svg. So basically start with Flag of then add the country name you're inputting. And add the extension which in the most welcomed case would be .svg. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 23, 2007 @ 04:28 (UTC)
Sometimes they just take a bit to load right. But, could you not use America Katie5000. America is a bad name to refer to the United States by. America can refer to every place in both North and South America, and that's not good. Especially since the United States and Canada are right in North America and are not part of the same country or flag. Use {{Flags|United States}} instead of {{Flags|America}}. And to fix the flag not showing up, reupload the flag to Image:Flag of United States.svg. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 26, 2007 @ 01:17 (UTC)
Scratch that. Use {{Flags|United States}} but leave the image at Image:Flag of the United States.svg, I'll add a tweak to the template to make consideration for flag names with the in them. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 26, 2007 @ 01:18 (UTC)
I'll try to fix the other one. For now just keep using the proper name inside the templates. Whenever the good one is fixed it'll start showing up. And that'll save a lot of editing to fix it. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 26, 2007 @ 03:37 (UTC)

Katie, could you copy the source of the image page on commons when you upload a flag here. It doesn't matter if you format it, you can just leave it the way it is. I'll format it for you. It's just a little easier for fixing up the flags. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Nov 26, 2007 @ 05:09 (UTC)

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[edit] Character Infoboxes

Sorry, but it's impossible to create a generic character infobox. The types of information that you can get from different series is so wide that you can't create one. So, in place of that, we use a system that lets us piece together one much like using a stack of lego blocks. See Template:Infobox/Character. What we do is start with the /Start and the /End. Then we add in the Sub Boxes as we find that we have information that fits inside them. If there is some non-generic information that is for a single series only, we create a sub box that can be used for it. If you're having issues with it I can help. Just give me a list of the bits of information that you can get for the characters in a series. And I'll organize a Infobox structure that you can use in articles. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Dec 10, 2007 @ 01:36 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia

Jump start from Wikipedia is only meant to prevent the creation of stubs when there is content on Wikipedia we can start the page off with. Do check various lists first to see if the character is part of another page on Wikipedia first. But the policy itself does say "disallows the creation of articles from scratch for which a usable Wikipedia article already exists." In other words... If there is absolutely no page about it on Wikipedia, the page isn't valid enough to be used, or the page on Wikipedia is to poorly done to be used, then there's no obligation to try and copy from there. Just take a look at Okusama wa Joshikousei, that series is one which only we've documented on. At least when it was created there was absolutely no Wikipedia article on the series. ^_^ So we got to the article first... ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Dec 17, 2007 @ 01:50 (UTC)

[edit] Episode infobox

Katie5000, could you go through other episode infoboxes and put together a list of parameters that a episode infobox would need, both generically, and ones for sub boxes? The current Episode infobox will be pretty much useless till then. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Jan 13, 2008 @ 08:06 (UTC)

Well, the best place to look is actually Wikipedia:Category:Television episode infobox templates. That's where the numerous episode infoboxes are. There is actually one or two there for Anime, eg: Wikipedia:Template:Infobox Gundam Episode (MSG).
The image stuff, and episode name is a basic thing included in all infoboxes, that's there already. The various stuff we have here and I can also think of are:
  • Position info
    • Series (For shows with multiple shows following timeline)
    • Season
      • Season starting and ending dates
      • kūru
    • Arc/Saga (Name customizable via a page)
    • Episode No.
    • Overall Episode No. (Position of the episode in relative to the timeline [ie: Ep 1 of Naruto: Shippūden can also be considered Ep 221 of the overall series)
  • Production code
  • Writer
  • Director
  • Airdate
    • Japanese airdate
    • English airdate
  • Alternative names (Like the Extended Names Character Infobox)
  • Opening song/video
  • Ending song/video
  • Next/Prev Episode with navigation (I'll get a way to do this automatically... Might need to wait till Semantic MediaWiki is installed though)
  • Episode link list
I'll organize and put one together sometime later. Perhaps I'll try putting it together using my in development iBox system and see how that goes. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Jan 20, 2008 @ 07:55 (UTC)
Heh... that's honnestly never certain with me. Everything's got a bit of complexity with it. ^_^ And if I tried to list everything I was involved in, I'd fill up your talkpage to much, heh... Heh, even at the moment I'm multitasking between the Narutopedia, Downloading some stuff to watch, and some soundtrack music, installing LaTeX software on my computer, and with that also attempting to startup my ProfileMe software project. ^_^ oh ya, incoming e-mails as well. The trick is that I focus primarily towards things people show active interest in. ;) At one point I was attempting to turn the iBox system into an extension. Mmmm... creating infoboxes using a form. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Jun 9, 2008 @ 05:06 (UTC)

[edit] Local linking

Katie5000, nice to see you editing so much again. Just a little tip on linking, rather than typing out an entire root name each time like Robotech/ you can simply use ../, and on top of that, when you use this syntax if you end the link with / the ../ gets hidden and you don't need to create a display text. Take a look at this ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) (talk) Aug 31, 2008 @ 00:30 (UTC)

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